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Recabinet 3 compared to a Celestion G12H and Royer 122

 Post subject: Recabinet 3 compared to a Celestion G12H and Royer 122
PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 11:10 am 
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I've been testing the Recabinet 3 demo this morning and thought I'd post this short clip. I'm using a Tele, neck pup into a VHT D60, into an Avatar 2x12 loaded with a G12H and miking it with a Royer 122 going into a Pacifica Mic pre. I have a cheap Behringer Ultra-G DI between the VHT speaker out and the speaker and that is going into an API 3124. You'll hear 2 measures of Recabinet and then 2 measures of the G12H/royer combo, going back and forth between the 2 as per the picture I've attached. I tried to match the real speaker as best I could but didn't really care about getting "exact" as that would be impossible. The point being is that they both sound good and one can get great sounds without the real R122, etc!

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 Post subject: Re: Recabinet 3 compared to a Celestion G12H and Royer 122
PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 11:15 am 
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Impressive! Thanks for posting that!

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 Post subject: Re: Recabinet 3 compared to a Celestion G12H and Royer 122
PostPosted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 4:43 pm 
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Sounds excellent. I have the Ultra G as well and a VHT Deliverance 120. I need to give this a shot. How loud did you have the amp when tracking it direct?


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 Post subject: Re: Recabinet 3 compared to a Celestion G12H and Royer 122
PostPosted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 4:54 pm 
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JerEvil wrote:
Sounds excellent. I have the Ultra G as well and a VHT Deliverance 120. I need to give this a shot. How loud did you have the amp when tracking it direct?

Medium loud but the cabinet is in another room so not a problem. If I were to get serious about this I'd invest in something like the Weber Mass attenuator and turn off the speaker using the dummy load option on the weber. But for now I can at least compare to the "real" sound of the amp and the speaker sim to see if I'm in the ballpark. For the Avatar cabint i have it seems the green cab from the plugin has a similar sound so that's a good starting point. I'd have to spend time with my other amps and see what's comparable in the plugin.

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 Post subject: Re: Recabinet 3 compared to a Celestion G12H and Royer 122
PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 7:11 am 
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Wow, that's unreal... I read through your post quick and kept waiting for an audible difference in tone, at first I was like where is the clip of the other setup? Wow.

So I have the Behringer Ultra-Di Di100, did I read and understand you correctly that you place this between the AMP out and the Speaker? Under that load? I had no idea you could do that! Before i blow up gear... do I understant you correctly?

So I'd being going out of my Orange TH30 head's 8ohm speaker out, into my DI and then into my cabinet? then of couse use the DI to capture the audio into my Presonus Firepod or M-audio FW410

If in understand that correctly, wow! That's pure tube tone! That's a game changer. I always felt that leaving through the effects loop robs you of your power amp tube goodness!

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Plug into the DI100's balanced 1/4" TRS or XLR input, then send a signal to your console via the balanced XLR output. You can even plug your guitar or bass amp's speaker output into the DI100, which can handle ratings of up to 3,000 Watts and still deliver a perfect signal.


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 Post subject: Re: Recabinet 3 compared to a Celestion G12H and Royer 122
PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 7:36 am 
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skattabrain wrote:
Wow, that's unreal... I read through your post quick and kept waiting for an audible difference in tone, at first I was like where is the clip of the other setup? Wow.

So I have the Behringer Ultra-Di Di100, did I read and understand you correctly that you place this between the AMP out and the Speaker? Under that load? I had no idea you could do that! Before i blow up gear... do I understant you correctly?

So I'd being going out of my Orange TH30 head's 8ohm speaker out, into my DI and then into my cabinet? then of couse use the DI to capture the audio into my Presonus Firepod or M-audio FW410

If in understand that correctly, wow! That's pure tube tone! That's a game changer. I always felt that leaving through the effects loop robs you of your power amp tube goodness!

From Behringer:

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Plug into the DI100's balanced 1/4" TRS or XLR input, then send a signal to your console via the balanced XLR output. You can even plug your guitar or bass amp's speaker output into the DI100, which can handle ratings of up to 3,000 Watts and still deliver a perfect signal.

You are correct. But, since this test u haven't put it into action mostly because I don't have to:-) just make sure the speaker is plugged in.

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 Post subject: Re: Recabinet 3 compared to a Celestion G12H and Royer 122
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davyboy, any settings or the DI or enlightenment you want to share? I tried this and the signal sounded very hot, i had to bring my input levels almost all the way down in order to not be peaking in the red... I loaded up Recab 2 in reaper and it was really noisy and sounded like it was clipping badly.


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skattabrain wrote:
davyboy, any settings or the DI or enlightenment you want to share? I tried this and the signal sounded very hot, i had to bring my input levels almost all the way down in order to not be peaking in the red... I loaded up Recab 2 in reaper and it was really noisy and sounded like it was clipping badly.

Make sure all the pad switches are engaged on the DI and follow normal input gain rules for general recording into your daw. It sounds terrible without the plugin engaged of course.

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 Post subject: Re: Recabinet 3 compared to a Celestion G12H and Royer 122
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daveyboy wrote:
skattabrain wrote:
davyboy, any settings or the DI or enlightenment you want to share? I tried this and the signal sounded very hot, i had to bring my input levels almost all the way down in order to not be peaking in the red... I loaded up Recab 2 in reaper and it was really noisy and sounded like it was clipping badly.

Make sure all the pad switches are engaged on the DI and follow normal input gain rules for general recording into your daw. It sounds terrible without the plugin engaged of course.


I didn't test the attenuation... I will do that next chance I get. Thanks!


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